Very recently on my blog, you left a string of strongly-worded comments on my entry It's Not Cheating! Also: I hate Pirates, a post that talked about the disturbing rise of books being downloaded illegally online. And I can only say, wow. SO MUCH WRONGNESS. But, really, though, this is wrongness that should be discussed, explained, and corrected, because damn, it's ignorant.
First Comment:
AnimeJune You really rock girl!Wow, I don't think I can respond to this whole passage all at once, so let me take it paragraph by paragraph, line by line:
"WOW this makes me angry! Up to HUNDREDS of books given away without a single royalty? WHAT THE HELL?"
Well said!! Just like the ?????? that are swapped and reswapped in book clubs, sold and resold in garage sales, sold and resold in second-hand book stores, BORROWED & BORROWED & BORROWED & BORROWED FROM A PUBLIC LIBRARY, lent to friends, family members and coworkers.
YES my dears - Given away without a SINGLE ROYALTY? WHAT THE HELL?
So what's really your point? I guess you guys are simply just comfortable with legalized 'stealing' then? As long as the law says its OK to enjoy creative content without having to pay for it, then 'I'm an honest person if I used those means appears to be your and yes Pamela Clare's mentality' - swaps, library, second-hand book, and God don't try to stop me from sharing a book with my friend. Right!!
The next time any of you return anything to the store that wasn't damaged or spoiled - eg the dress that you wore only that one time; the shoe that just doesn't go right with that suit but you only figured that out after you had wore it; the meal that you didn't like; the book that you read the first few pages of or just skimmed through and decided it was not for you and I can go on - I guess you weren't stealing eh - you just used it for a time for free. Right. HELLO!
Yeah put a block on the blog!
Have a great day y'all.
AnimeJune You really rock girl! Why thank you.
"WOW this makes me angry! Up to HUNDREDS of books given away without a single royalty? WHAT THE HELL?" Quotation marks? Who are you quoting? I've been through my post and the comments of others and this sentence never comes up. Hmmmm.
Well said!! Just like the ?????? that are swapped and reswapped in book clubs, sold and resold in garage sales, sold and resold in second-hand book stores, BORROWED & BORROWED & BORROWED & BORROWED FROM A PUBLIC LIBRARY, lent to friends, family members and coworkers.
YES my dears - Given away without a SINGLE ROYALTY? WHAT THE HELL?
So what's really your point? I guess you guys are simply just comfortable with legalized 'stealing' then? As long as the law says its OK to enjoy creative content without having to pay for it, then 'I'm an honest person if I used those means appears to be your and yes Pamela Clare's mentality' - swaps, library, second-hand book, and God don't try to stop me from sharing a book with my friend. Right!!
Sweetie, let me inform you on royalties - authors are paid by the COPIES of books that are sold, not the number of times they are read. Why? Because there is NO way outside of a copy of 1984 to effectively track how many times a book is read. So there's that.
Secondly, when you buy a book, an author gets a royalty and you get a piece of property that is yours to do with as you wish. You can set it on fire. You can eat it. You can do whatever you want to it. You can sell it. You can even lend it out - why? Because whatever you do with it, there is still only one copy that has been legally paid for. The author already received their cut out of the purchase of that property.
However, what the law says you cannot do is make copies of what you have bought. No one has a problem with you lending out a book - but there is a problem if you make a bunch of photocopies of that book and give them away - why? Because now you aren't dealing with one copy of a book that has been legally paid for. You have created copies and are distributing material that hasn't been paid for.
When you put a book up on the internet for download, every time someone downloads it they are automatically making an illegal copy. This isn't the equivalent of something like Paperbackswap.com or a used book store (that sells copies that were at one time legally purchased). Downloading is stealing, because now there are copies of a book in existence that have not been paid for.
And it is certainly not the equivalent of borrowing books from a library. I've sent an e-mail to Wendy the Super Librarian to help me out on this because I feel I want to have the most informed argument possible when I tell you that BORROWING BOOKS FROM A LIBRARY IS NOT STEALING, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. It's certainly not legalized stealing.
And why? Let me explain it again to you - libraries LEGALLY PURCHASE all their materials. Authors support libraries hardcore (why else would the Romance Writers of America have an entire day planned at their National Conference for the support and celebration of librarians?). Authors get excellent royalties from libraries because libraries LEGALLY PURCHASE copies of their books, often several copies, and in the more expensive hardcover format if at all possible (because they last longer). By legally purchasing those copies, these books become the library's property and it is entirely their right to lend them out to whomever they wish at their own discretion. And the author gets paid for every title they acquire.
The next time any of you return anything to the store that wasn't damaged or spoiled - eg the dress that you wore only that one time; the shoe that just doesn't go right with that suit but you only figured that out after you had wore it; the meal that you didn't like; the book that you read the first few pages of or just skimmed through and decided it was not for you and I can go on - I guess you weren't stealing eh - you just used it for a time for free. Right. HELLO!
Lending books from a library and buying books from a used book store or lending books is not the same thing as stealing. There are slightly blurred lines in some situations with dresses and shoes, I agree - you've pointed them out. But that doesn't apply to libraries and used book stores and people who lend books: because all of these have acquired their books legally through ways that give the authors money. Learn the difference - books are creative property, that is true, but when they are bought they also become personal property and people also have rights over their own personal property. HELLO!
Please, if you're so informed of the ways of the world, explain HOW people are supposed to know how many times a book has been read and identify the people who have read these books to make sure they pay up in the way you think they should? Please, do explain, I'm sure we're all listening intently.
Anonymous continues:
AnimeJune you really rock girl!Okay, so Anonymous here is repeating himself or herself (I assume it's the same person because they have very distinct style of writing), but there is one passage I need to deal with personally:
'Why? BECAUSE THERE ARE ALREADY PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GET BOOKS FOR FREE, THEY ARE CALLED LIBRARIES. YOU GET BOOKS FOR FREE AND THE AUTHORS AND MUSICIANS GET PAID AND EVERYONE WINS.'
Ahem - just let's ask the authors. Do you collect royalties every time someone borrows your book from that FREE place called the public library?
Does anyone at all ever collect royalties whenever a media item is borrowed from the library - music CD, DVD etc?
Educate yourselves and admit that all you library users are taking bread out of your favorite authors mouth. And how generous of them to allow you to do it as long as you agree with them that those other people who use those internet libraries are dishonest SOBs.
Does anyone have a brain to even acknowledge the contradiction here?
Educate yourselves and admit that all you library users are taking bread out of your favorite authors mouth. And how generous of them to allow you to do it as long as you agree with them that those other people who use those internet libraries are dishonest SOBs.
Really, Anonymous, EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT THE RIGHTS OF PERSONAL PROPERTY. I've already explained that authors receive royalties from every copy that the libraries purchase of their book (and that afterward the book becomes the personal property of the library).
Libraries don't just lend out books - they also promote books and reading, and preserve books. People who find an author as a "lucky dip" at a library goes on to buy the author's books for themselves - that's promotion. That's been the case for me with Laura Lee Guhrke, Sophia Nash, and Jo Goodman. I borrowed their books at the library, enjoyed the hell out of them, and went and bought their books. Also, libraries preserve books. They're the reason there are still copies of Bibles from the 1600s and first editions of Pride & Prejudice that exist in good condition for people to look at and read.
And internet libraries? What do you mean, internet libraries? Downloading books from the internet is not the same as a library - one commenter did theorize that people living in places where bookstores and libraries are hard and expensive to come by use downloading sites for that reason - to make "lucky dips" without paying the exorbitant price of importing a physical copy of a book they might end up hating.
But there is a significant difference - every copy a library lends out has been bought and paid for. The very act of downloading a book from the internet CREATES a copy that is ILLEGAL because it HASN'T been paid for. Even if the originator of the book file bought her book legally - she's not distributing one copy that she's paid for - she's making a THOUSAND copies of a book when she's only paid for ONE. See the difference?
Consider yourself educated.
Anonymous' next comment was pretty much a repetition of their previous comments, so let's look at the delightful message after that:
Um, wow. I'm going to have to break this down again:
I'm quoting you again AnimeJune
'Writers do not make a lot of money, and whether or not they get published again depends on their numbers of legitimate, tallied sales. Publishers don't care if 300 copies of an author's book have been downloaded online if only 50 copies have been bought in real life - because the publishers don't get money from those 300 books and they only publish writers who are financial viable.
That means the authors you love to read might not be picked up again by publishers because they're not making enough sales - and that means no more great novels from those authors.'
Shouldn't the authors be leveraging to have greater control with the publishing houses then? As you say the publishers don't care.
Turns out that the author actually only gets about 1/5th of the sale price of the book - all the rest goes to the publisher, advertising, media etc. And darling these starving authors are quite content with that!
So for argument sake. Let's say a book sells for $5.00. 1/5 means the author gets $1in their pocket whereas the consumer puts out 5 times that much!!!!!
Authors need to start viewing their readers as their bread and butter and not their copyrighted content as such.
If I am to empathize with the plight of the poor authors, then maybe I would be less inclined to download a book from the internet if I could really believe that a much greater percentage of what goes out of my pocket goes directly to them.
I seriously object to paying 4/5th the price of a book to people (publishers and associated support industry) who themselves don't respect the creative process or the amount of work you and these authors say they put into writing a book. As you and the authors say - the publishers only care about the amount of $$ they collected, very little consideration is given to the merit of the work.
When authors start to really respect their creative content and demand better conditions, start marketing their books themselves etc., then maybe I'd be inclined to do the bleeding heart deal for them.
Shouldn't the authors be leveraging to have greater control with the publishing houses then? As you say the publishers don't care.
Turns out that the author actually only gets about 1/5th of the sale price of the book - all the rest goes to the publisher, advertising, media etc. And darling these starving authors are quite content with that!
And HOW would they do that exactly? Publishing is a business. What the publisher puts out has to make money, or else they won't be able to afford to publish more books. Seems simple enough to me. Also, in your mind - it's okay to steal from authors if they "are quite content" with not getting a larger cut of their book? How does that work?
I seriously object to paying 4/5th the price of a book to people (publishers and associated support industry) who themselves don't respect the creative process or the amount of work you and these authors say they put into writing a book. As you and the authors say - the publishers only care about the amount of $$ they collected, very little consideration is given to the merit of the work.
Boo hoo, little child.
You OBJECT to paying for people who aren't the author? Well, I OBJECT to thieves - because when you're reading a finished, published novel - you're not only benefiting off of the author's work, but off the work of many, many other people within the publishing industry!
When you buy a book, you're not buying the author's story handwritten and unabridged on looseleaf - you're buying a BOOK, which means you're also buying the paper, binding, and ink that the publishers have paid for. You're paying the printers who put the physical words on the paper. You're paying the marketers and advertisers who brought this book to your attention in the first place. You're paying the artists and designers who created the beautiful cover. You're paying the editors who made the sure the writing flowed smoothly and helped the pacing and got rid of typos and errors and made sure the presentation of the margins and spacing make the text easy and pleasant to read. You're even paying the artist who owns the copyright on the typeface! They have ALL put in work and effort into that book you're holding, and they deserve to be paid for the goods and services they have provided.
Think of when you pay to see a movie - your money isn't just going to the screenwriter whose story you didn't like or the actors who were terrible or the director who's a hack. You're also paying the salaries of the lighting designers and the costume designers and the grips and electricians and crew members who all contributed to the final product.
And when you download a scanned book for free, you're not just cheating the author - you're cheating all the people who helped make the final product of the novel itself. I didn't mean that publishers don't respect the creative process at all - but publishing is a business, and if a book makes no money, then they simply can't afford to keep publishing. It sucks, but it's true. While I agree money shouldn't be the all-encompassing, most important thing - they can't ignore its importance if they want to continue to be a viable business.
Finally, I must deal with this little gem:
When authors start to really respect their creative content and demand better conditions, start marketing their books themselves etc., then maybe I'd be inclined to do the bleeding heart deal for them.
And your "bleeding heart deal" - is that supposed to mean you paying money in return for goods and services that you have received, one of the most fundamental economic laws? Cry me a river, dude. Your entire justification, er, I mean argument is based on your ignorance of the publishing industry, the rights of personal property, the purpose of libraries, and the production of books. Let me see if I can boil down your essential argument:
I can steal books because:
- You guys are all stealing books just as bad as me, nyaa nyaa nyaa
- I'm not really stealing from authors, I'm stealing from poo-poo-head publishers who suck and hate art anyway
- Authors already kick themselves in the face, so what's wrong with me kicking them in the face?
I hope I helped answer your questions. Hugs and Kisses,
AnimeJune
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